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General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: crxvtec91 on November 18, 2011, 11:59:23 AM
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Thinking about upgrading my fuel lines on my crx to either -6 or -8 from the gas tank to the fuel rail. Any one have a good write up. Hard line or braided?
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3/8" hard line from tank to firewall, AN braided line from firewall to rail.
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My setup on my hatch -6 from stock fuel filter to 044 to -6 to rail. Will be a -6 from regulator to stock return.
If i get this car in two weeks, im not sure what I will do. But I do want to redo the whole feed line as a -6.
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Get the NPT to -6 90* adapter to remove the banjo fitting at the tank. Then run AN all the way to the rail. There is also a -6 fitting to go into the stock rail. You can remove every banjo bolt fitting in the car. Thats how I did it. I think I spent about 300, but that also included fittings, hose ends, and filter to put my 255 inline as well.
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Heres my part numbers from my invoice with Jegs. I also had a few parts that I ordered from Earl's, because Jegs didnt have them, or stock them.
4 4 555-110001 #6 STR HOSE END BLACK 4.99 19.96
2 2 799-670470 ADAPTER 6AN MALE TO M10 X 11.99 23.98
1 1 555-110912 #6 LTWT BLACK HOSE 10-FT 59.99 59.99
1 1 555-82035 CUSHION CLAMPS 6AN (10) 9.49 9.49
1 1 799-650133 FUEL FILTER COMP #6 BLACK 24.99 24.99
1 1 799-651670 ELEMENT FOR 5010/13/14 6.99 6.99
1 1 555-80551 WRENCH -6 AN 9.99 9.99
I think I had this for the fitting from the pump (to get rid of the banjo)
AT949091 -6 12mmx1.25 90Deg. METRIC. Male to Male A.N Swivel. Black. 14.56
(http://www.anplumbing.com/images/products/7377/659_thumb.jpg)
And then something like this for my fuel rail. Cant remember what the thread pitch was.
(http://www.anplumbing.com/images/products/7354/636_thumb.jpg)
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Awesome, thanks for the part numbers. :noel:
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I think this was the one for the fuel rail
991945 12mmx1.25 -6 Carburetor Adapter Solex, Dellorto, Mikuni 7.45
(http://www.anplumbing.com/images/products/7481/761_thumb.jpg)
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Oh, and I ordered one of these too.
AT935106 -6 90Deg. Tube Bent, AN Female to AN Female 13.15
(http://www.anplumbing.com/images/products/7361/643_thumb.jpg)
Ran that from the fuel rail fitting, to the filter, and then hose back to the inline pump, from the inline pump to the fitting into the tank.
Hold on. Lemme spoon feed you some pictures too. :)
Fuel pump hanger.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/229300_609232187373_2061421_n.jpg)
Hose end with braided line hooked up.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/222758_609232282183_7411364_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/225669_609232367013_3618818_n.jpg)
Fitting in the rail.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/225315_609232476793_1375179_n.jpgg)
Rail. Adapter. Female 90* Adapter. Fuel Filter. Hose End. Braided Line.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227079_609232486773_1751983_n.jpg)
255 Inline.
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/226506_609232766213_6508205_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/223391_609232796153_1497383_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/230429_609232801143_1055030_n.jpg)
And some pics before I put it in the car.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227914_608949054773_7320715_n.jpg)
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/221719_608969408983_2919607_n.jpg)
Stock filter and lines removed.
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/221962_608979972813_269142_n.jpg)
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theidealone your the man!
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I like to tap the rail for npt rather than rely on an o-ring. Sure they work, but why not eliminate a potential leak.
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check out votionspeed.com they got some cheap prices.
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Yea, I guess. Its got an aluminum crush washer thats lined with rubber on the inner diameter/hole. No issues with a leak. So I dunno why you would waste your time tapping the rail. But I guess you could do that.
And yea, VotionSpeed.com is local to me. But I dont like their fittings or hose. I have that stuff on my catch can setup, and I cant wait to change it out.
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Yea, I guess. Its got an aluminum crush washer thats lined with rubber on the inner diameter/hole. No issues with a leak. So I dunno why you would waste your time tapping the rail. But I guess you could do that.
And yea, VotionSpeed.com is local to me. But I dont like their fittings or hose. I have that stuff on my catch can setup, and I cant wait to change it out.
What dont you like about them. Please tell us. I was thinking about ordering some stuff from them. I got most of my fuel stuff from BR Fittings. Injectors from Tom. Want to redo the whole setup. Thinking about selling the 044 with bracket and fittings, and the TRE 255hp fuel pump(xenocrons). Then do a twin intank 300, 340, or 400.
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I dunno. Im not very familiar with a whole lot of fittings and hose ends. But the VotionSpeed ones have compression fittings in them, which I didnt think was common when it came to AN hose ends. The 90* has a pretty big radius, which on my valve cover hits the hood. The black hose is just the steel braided line coated or painted black. And Im not sold on the teflon lines yet. I really liked the Jegs hose ends and line that I ordered.
I cant say that the VotionSpeed ones wont work for a fuel setup. But I dont think I would put them in my own car. Not to mention, the Jegs "brand" fittings are pretty cheap anyways. A lot of people say Aeroquip makes the fittings for Jegs, and theyre just stamped with the Jegs logo. The quality was very nice. I would definitely recommend them (Jegs).
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Yea, I guess. Its got an aluminum crush washer thats lined with rubber on the inner diameter/hole. No issues with a leak. So I dunno why you would waste your time tapping the rail. But I guess you could do that.
And yea, VotionSpeed.com is local to me. But I dont like their fittings or hose. I have that stuff on my catch can setup, and I cant wait to change it out.
What dont you like about them. Please tell us. I was thinking about ordering some stuff from them. I got most of my fuel stuff from BR Fittings. Injectors from Tom. Want to redo the whole setup. Thinking about selling the 044 with bracket and fittings, and the TRE 255hp fuel pump(xenocrons). Then do a twin intank 300, 340, or 400.
I would stay away form the 340's, i have already killed one in my car and we have seen 1 die in a customers car for NO apparent reason at all... Twin 255's in parallel setup get pretty damn far and are cheaper than everything else...
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Yea, I guess. Its got an aluminum crush washer thats lined with rubber on the inner diameter/hole. No issues with a leak. So I dunno why you would waste your time tapping the rail. But I guess you could do that.
And yea, VotionSpeed.com is local to me. But I dont like their fittings or hose. I have that stuff on my catch can setup, and I cant wait to change it out.
What dont you like about them. Please tell us. I was thinking about ordering some stuff from them. I got most of my fuel stuff from BR Fittings. Injectors from Tom. Want to redo the whole setup. Thinking about selling the 044 with bracket and fittings, and the TRE 255hp fuel pump(xenocrons). Then do a twin intank 300, 340, or 400.
I would stay away form the 340's, i have already killed one in my car and we have seen 1 die in a customers car for NO apparent reason at all... Twin 255's in parallel setup get pretty damn far and are cheaper than everything else...
Friend installed 2 340's to replace 2 255 then relized his car was going super lean, rewired the 2 340's and car still went lean. Rip out the 340's and through the 255's back in, issue gone.
255>340....... :?:
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What dont you like about them. Please tell us. I was thinking about ordering some stuff from them. I got most of my fuel stuff from BR Fittings. Injectors from Tom. Want to redo the whole setup. Thinking about selling the 044 with bracket and fittings, and the TRE 255hp fuel pump(xenocrons). Then do a twin intank 300, 340, or 400.
I would stay away form the 340's, i have already killed one in my car and we have seen 1 die in a customers car for NO apparent reason at all... Twin 255's in parallel setup get pretty damn far and are cheaper than everything else...
Friend installed 2 340's to replace 2 255 then relized his car was going super lean, rewired the 2 340's and car still went lean. Rip out the 340's and through the 255's back in, issue gone.
255>340....... :?:
Comparing the charts:
(http://www.realstreetperformance.com/ebay/real_street_performance_fuel_pump_test_flow_chart.jpg)
(http://www.z1motorsports.com/images/11140-42_FlowChart.jpg)
(http://www.ipgparts.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/aei-340lph-chart.jpg)
Never used the 340 yet but I have 2 cdm 255lph HP sames as the ones Xeno sells and have good flow.
So good that the stock fprs get ruined and my fuel pressure goes past 200psi. :noel:
But I also have a boost-a-pump digital box to keep the voltage to my pump 15v all the time and bump up to 22v under boost if I want.
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Damn russ you have enough fuel for you and bdv
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Damn russ you have enough fuel for you and bdv
Yeah now I just need to update the fuel lines, with larger lines and filter, to the engine.
And build a new killer D, w/ vitaras, Cunningham rods, ported y8 head, ported z6 mani, pristine A6 crank and A6 block. :noel:
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Damn russ you have enough fuel for you and bdv
Yeah now I just need to update the fuel lines, with larger lines and filter, to the engine.
And build a new killer D, w/ vitaras, Cunningham rods, ported y8 head, ported z6 mani, pristine A6 crank and A6 block. :noel:
Dont you have a few vitara blocks?
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theidealone your the man!
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Damn russ you have enough fuel for you and bdv
Yeah now I just need to update the fuel lines, with larger lines and filter, to the engine.
And build a new killer D, w/ vitaras, Cunningham rods, ported y8 head, ported z6 mani, pristine A6 crank and A6 block. :noel:
Dont you have a few vitara blocks?
Just one, and it has a stripped bolt for s/c mounting.
It also has cyl. wall finish I do not like, and oil pan rail surface that has too much damage.
I really want to build a6 block b/c I need to use a fresh set of rods and minty so I can a better peice of mind.
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Damn russ you have enough fuel for you and bdv
Yeah now I just need to update the fuel lines, with larger lines and filter, to the engine.
And build a new killer D, w/ vitaras, Cunningham rods, ported y8 head, ported z6 mani, pristine A6 crank and A6 block. :noel:
Dont you have a few vitara blocks?
Just one, and it has a stripped bolt for s/c mounting.
It also has cyl. wall finish I do not like, and oil pan rail surface that has too much damage.
I really want to build a6 block b/c I need to use a fresh set of rods and minty so I can a better peice of mind.
Whats wrong with the rods in that block?
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The B.E. are still in good shape, but two of the rods have a bit of blue to them. :noel:
And I needed an excuse for using the Cunningham rods. ;DDD
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Title says "fuel lines" but i'd like to put my question here. Just in case.
You guys running in tank and external inlines..... Is it bad to run a stock pump in the tank to feed an inline without a surge tank? Meaning, will the larger flowing pump fuck with the stock pump that can only pump so much TO the larger pump?
Esplain plz.
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I think the larger pump will actually draw through the smaller pump, making it easier for it to feed it. Since the smaller pump is being "sucked" on rather than pushing against the reg to make pressure it is ok.
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That's what i was thinking. Thanks.
Didn't know whether or not you guys were upgrading both or what.
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Walbros are <90 bucks. Why not just upgrade it for peace of mind? Or make a homemade surge tank...
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Walbros are <90 bucks. Why not just upgrade it for peace of mind? Or make a homemade surge tank...
You just gave me a idea, home made surge tank with a walbro 400 either feeding into or pulling from.
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Walbros are <90 bucks. Why not just upgrade it for peace of mind? Or make a homemade surge tank...
You just gave me a idea, home made surge tank with a walbro 400 either feeding into or pulling from.
In for a build thread on this. :noel:
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I have a CDM 044 laying around, I thought about building a surge tank and putting it on my ef. It already has a walbro in the tank.
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Im thinking stock fuel pump/ lines feeding this; http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RCI-2010D/ (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RCI-2010D/)
Then a 400lph pump after feeding the rail. I wonder if I will have any issues.
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Anyone know the limits to -6 lines? I'm at 33+hp right not but the new engine shooting for over 700hp and don't want to redo my lines again.
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Iirc Spiker has -6an fuel lines, and he is well past 700hp.
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Idealone, did you run the line down the exhaust and shifter tunnel? Is there anywhere else on a crx they can go besides in the cabin?
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Yea, but I dont have exhaust. My pipe goes through the hood.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/217522_604991430883_72204693_33285369_5115276_n.jpg)
I honestly dont know if there is anywhere else to run it. I didnt pay any attention to it. And I dont think running the lines inside of the car is NHRA legal, so I didnt want to do that.
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Yeah i'll probably insulate everything. I was looking around last night, there isnt reall anywhere else thats protected
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UH2CA2/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002UH2CA2/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&psc=1)
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Curtis (theidealone) your pictures are no worky in htis thread.
Can we get an updated link?
like to see that setup please. :noel:
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Thats gay. The URLs changed. Updated on first page.
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Thats gay. The URLs changed. Updated on first page.
Thanks for the pictures and speedy response. :noel:
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Thats gay. The URLs changed. Updated on first page.
Thanks for the pictures and speedy response. :noel:
Good stuff!
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This year's fuel setup should be a little sweeter. -8 lines. Went with Jegs line and fittings again. But with a sumped stock tank, and a Magnafuel Pro Tuner 750 inline pump (good for 2000hp on gas). Already have 1200s, but might get a good deal on some FIC 1850s.
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This year's fuel setup should be a little sweeter. -8 lines. Went with Jegs line and fittings again. But with a sumped stock tank, and a Magnafuel Pro Tuner 750 inline pump (good for 2000hp on gas). Already have 1200s, but might get a good deal on some FIC 1850s.
Any updates on this setup w/ picts.?
And how did ya do this year w/ the above described setup?
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Installing a Walboro 400lph pump in the hanger and decided to brake out the caliper and make some measurements. :noel:
400lph:
Pump outlet is ~0.22"
Pump inlet is ~0.328"
Hanger metal tubes:
Metal tube in hanger ~0.25"
Hanger outlet ~0.245"
Stock pump:
Stock pump outlet ~.190
Stock pump inlet ~.307"
CDM Walboro Clone 225lph
CDM Walboro 225lph outlets ~0.195"
CDM Walboro 225lph inlet ~0.297"
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I presume that's I.D. of the tubes?
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I presume that's I.D. of the tubes?
Yes :noel: