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General Category => Forced Induction => Topic started by: evo_lucian on January 25, 2010, 01:24:14 PM

Title: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 25, 2010, 01:24:14 PM
Intro :- I'm a student , i'm broke, and i wanna make my car faster

The car . 1989 toyota levin with a mongrel 4agze in it. Started off like this with a redtop high comp 4age

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff11/evo_lucian/DSC00423.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/DSC00422.jpg)

4age with sc12 s/c at 9 psi, 10:6:1 c/r, tmic no hood scoop.

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff11/evo_lucian/DSC00828.jpg)
 
Blew the head gasket the same day took it home from my friends home due to a busted radiator. Rebuilt with forged oem 4agze 8:9:1 pistons and semimetal gasket.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P10107091.jpg)

Cut the hood with a grinder to make a scoop and took the car to the track on dec 6th Run a 18.0 with a massive boost leak, only had 3psi , and all season tires. That was the last sraw with the s/c. took it off as soon as i got home and started turbo conversion.

1st manifold attempt

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020254.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020256.jpg)

turbo hit oil filter and mount when mounted in car so i scrapped it and went to work on this

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020267.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020335.jpg)

free t28

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020339.jpg)

manifold on prop block and head

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020342.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020343.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020344.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020345.jpg)

still need to port manifold run oil lines and piping.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: SloS13 on January 25, 2010, 01:33:38 PM
Badass build.  Lookin forward to more progress.   :D
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 25, 2010, 01:38:45 PM
Thanks mang  :noel:. only get to work on it on weekend when i am out of school so its taking a while but i wanna have it ready for Race day on Feb 22nd.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: 92CXyD on January 25, 2010, 01:42:18 PM
I miss my old 'Rollas  :'(

Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Robb on January 25, 2010, 03:12:22 PM
Looks good.  4a's dont suck.  What you tuning with?
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Post by: danz on January 25, 2010, 03:21:56 PM
fucking yes to that manifold.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: glustic on January 25, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
As ghetto as it can be. Almost. Like the paint that's over sprayed on your radiator. Very  :mexi:. Just use pool hose for IC pipe and call it a day.....
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on January 25, 2010, 03:38:47 PM
I need the ECU for that puffer S/C motor... $$$?
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Post by: ratcityrex on January 25, 2010, 04:27:00 PM
MONEY!!! This build wins!!  :D
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: glustic on January 25, 2010, 05:18:13 PM
Internal or External WG?
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Post by: crxvtec91 on January 25, 2010, 05:56:57 PM
I love it :yes:
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Post by: shogun on January 25, 2010, 06:00:35 PM
niece build those blocks take abuse like no other
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Post by: Towdogg on January 25, 2010, 07:30:31 PM
That turbo mani is sex..........
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: jagojon3 on January 25, 2010, 07:51:46 PM
Dude, I save jars of my piss too. Better than a cup of coffee in the morning.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 25, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
My god thanks for all the props guys  :noel:

Looks good.  4a's dont suck.  What you tuning with?

stock MAP 4agze ecu for now. figured they good on 14 psi with the stock s/c so 10 psi from the t28 should be ok. a friend gave me a lil device with " GRID FLOW MATE " written on it has 3 knobs on the front and a lil colour meter that starts in green and goes to red. says its an old school tuning device. Gonna try to use that. Any one heard of it ? Eventually i will upgrade to megasquirt or AEM FIC when i can afford it.

As ghetto as it can be. Almost. Like the paint that's over sprayed on your radiator. Very  :mexi:. Just use pool hose for IC pipe and call it a day.....

Got the stock s/c tmic, 4efte tmic and a small fmic approx 12x6x3 inches i will mount 1 of em over the gearbox with the fan from my ac system on top, skyline bov and radiator hose as piping. total ic piping length will be less tha 3 feet.

Internal or External WG?

internal for now. have a bunch of em from different vehicles im tryna make fit. Waiting on a friend to swap out his cdm wastegate to his 38mm tial so i get get his.

niece build those blocks take abuse like no other

seen stock bottom end taken to over 450whp and hold up.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 25, 2010, 08:58:30 PM
I need the ECU for that puffer S/C motor... $$$?

Try the classifieds at club4ag.com and mr2oc.com

Dude, I save jars of my piss too. Better than a cup of coffee in the morning.

 :othought i was the only one.

pics of the wastegates im tryna make work. Dont know wtf they came from.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020340.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/P1020338.jpg)
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: malichite on January 25, 2010, 09:10:46 PM
That manifold is tits!!!! I fucking love it.  I here dub it the flipsplog O0
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: brine04 on January 25, 2010, 09:26:48 PM
Sweet work. This is what RHMT is all about!
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: shogun on January 25, 2010, 11:14:16 PM
ct9 actuators suck, they do 8 psi but they crap themselves prety easy, dsm ones have worked pretty good for me
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 25, 2010, 11:27:56 PM
Which is the ct9 wastegate in the pic ? Dsm wastegate is out of the question because i live in caribbean. No dsm's around. I intend on making one of the wastegates work  :evil:
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: 1fasthf on January 26, 2010, 01:07:06 AM
that is the fuckin coolest manifold ever!! :mexi:
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: SloS13 on January 26, 2010, 11:34:30 AM
AEM FIC is pretty nice.  I've had one on my miata for about 3 years.  Simple to tune
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: TTC on January 26, 2010, 04:56:33 PM
Ive had bad luck with the FIC, trying to combat the stupid subaru ECU.

You should sign up at www.dorikaze.com (http://), it will be good times.

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Phate on January 26, 2010, 05:23:10 PM
AEM FIC is pretty nice.  I've had one on my miata for about 3 years.  Simple to tune

I almost scored one of those for cheap, was gonna use it on my accord in an attempt to stay OBD2
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Robb on January 26, 2010, 05:45:41 PM
Ive had bad luck with the FIC, trying to combat the stupid subaru ECU.

You should sign up at www.dorikaze.com (http://) (http://) (http://), it will be good times.

Keep up the good work.

Why the fuck would you use FIC on a subaru when there are grassroots flash software for free?

FIC works well on somethings, and shite on others.  Hit and miss it seems.

For that car, I think id actually use a megasquirt.  Yes, you heard me right.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: HiProfile on January 28, 2010, 11:43:19 AM
lol that's an awsome manifold. I'll try that soon with a DX header I have.

BTW get a chonged out WG for $45 and weld the flange where the original outlet was for the header.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 28, 2010, 01:19:11 PM
Ive had bad luck with the FIC, trying to combat the stupid subaru ECU.

You should sign up at www.dorikaze.com (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://), it will be good times.

Keep up the good work.

Registered 3 days ago, still have not been approved. They must have smelt the RHMT all over my application and decided they didnt't want my ghetto ass on their site.

lol that's an awsome manifold. I'll try that soon with a DX header I have.

BTW get a chonged out WG for $45 and weld the flange where the original outlet was for the header.

Thats the plan. waiting on a friend to upgrade to a tial so i can snatch his 38mm cdm wastegate.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: imburne on January 28, 2010, 01:42:39 PM
 8) Grass Roots Project
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 28, 2010, 03:13:10 PM
home sick from school, bored so i made a drawing of how the turbo set up will look when im completed. square with black circle is small intercooler with fan on top mounted on gearbox.. The rest is simple

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/Untitled-4.jpg)
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: 90dx on January 28, 2010, 04:42:48 PM
Solid work :noel:
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Post by: ochoa on January 28, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
only thing this bitch is missing is brakekleen cans for charge piping  O0 ... Love the build man :
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on January 29, 2010, 01:03:32 PM
If i had enough free time i would have tried welding together cans for charge piping but i only get around 12 hrs a week max so im gonna use radiator hose and scrap pipes from other builds around the yard on this one. I estimate total length from compressor outlet to throttle body to be under 4 feet including intercooler. Not much piping will be needed  :evil: . Will post some progress pics later this weekend.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: skaterdudz02 on January 30, 2010, 05:02:57 PM
Nice work mate!
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Joseph Davis on January 30, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
Ive had bad luck with the FIC, trying to combat the stupid subaru ECU.

You should sign up at www.dorikaze.com (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://) (http://), it will be good times.

Keep up the good work.

Why the fuck would you use FIC on a subaru when there are grassroots flash software for free?

FIC works well on somethings, and shite on others.  Hit and miss it seems.

It's probably one of the crappy JECS ECUs.  Sad thing is, they can be chipped and tuned - not straightforward for the n00b though.

FICs work okay on stone age EFI where the ECU isn't trying to do complex emissions counter-corrections, and they work okay on factory wideband cars.  For everything else, do something else.  If you have FIC money I can probably direct you to something better, anyway.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: HiProfile on February 01, 2010, 07:46:13 PM
2 things:

A) chargepipe length doesn't do shit for response. It's almost negligable difference in diameter/length because the engine is basicly "leaking" a whole hell of a lot more volume than the pipes make up.

B) No electric fan you'll find for under $350 will provide the air movement you'll want to do anything for IAT's. Put a subi scoop on it & seal it somewhat with big strips of adhesive foam rubber and be done with it. Or go with an extra few feet of piping and use a fmic.


Other than that, tune it the best you can before you rip on it. Search for gooseman if you think for a second you'll just do one 4th gear pull.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on February 01, 2010, 09:54:26 PM
Thanks for the insight man. a buddy of mine was telling me the same thing last night. with the 4agze we have always believed that long large piping associated with a fmic , we get lagg  because the s/c has to fill up the long length of piping and huge fmic . In any case the intercooler positioning and piping is still in its planning stages, might go smic or fmic .

The car already has a hood scoop, well sort of. ( i cut some louvers into the hood with a grinder to allow air flow for tmic when the car was s/c) im looking to block that off soon . A friend was suggesting that i mount the stock intercooler somewhere to the lower front left of the car, tried it out  and it actually looked good and doable. will consider when im ready to mount .

Did some more work on car this weekend but my camera is not linking to my pc so i cant upload pics yet. swapped crappy 4agze intake mani for 4age manifold, swapped in new water lines, new alternator  and bracketing, and cleaned and reisstalled fuel rail and injectors. I will try to post pics later.

the turbo is both oil and water cooled, i dont intend on using water system, what do people do with the ports. Live them open ?
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: glustic on February 02, 2010, 05:37:09 PM
Thanks for the insight man. a buddy of mine was telling me the same thing last night. with the 4agze we have always believed that long large piping associated with a fmic , we get lagg  because the s/c has to fill up the long length of piping and huge fmic . In any case the intercooler positioning and piping is still in its planning stages, might go smic or fmic .

The car already has a hood scoop, well sort of. ( i cut some louvers into the hood with a grinder to allow air flow for tmic when the car was s/c) im looking to block that off soon . A friend was suggesting that i mount the stock intercooler somewhere to the lower front left of the car, tried it out  and it actually looked good and doable. will consider when im ready to mount .

Did some more work on car this weekend but my camera is not linking to my pc so i cant upload pics yet. swapped crappy 4agze intake mani for 4age manifold, swapped in new water lines, new alternator  and bracketing, and cleaned and reisstalled fuel rail and injectors. I will try to post pics later.

the turbo is both oil and water cooled, i dont intend on using water system, what do people do with the ports. Live them open ?

Use the water, its only 2 more lines to hook up.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on March 22, 2010, 12:33:09 PM
Ok a bit or an update. scraped the t28 in favor of a t3/t04e , The t28 was missing a plate that goes under the turbine wheel , I was told that running the turbo without this plate will lead to premature seal ware so a friend gave me a brand new t3/t04e for free. Compressor cover says .50 ar and turbine says .63 ar


(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/DSCN1232.jpg)
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/DSCN1231.jpg)

More to come
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on March 22, 2010, 01:51:17 PM
I cant stop fapping.
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Post by: MantisX on March 22, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
This son of a bitch is gonna fly.
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Post by: evo_lucian on March 22, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
I cant stop fapping.

Uhhh..... Thank you........
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Post by: glustic on March 23, 2010, 05:38:11 PM
Update this slut!!!
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Post by: DRQPQUT on March 24, 2010, 11:56:22 AM
very nice!! i like, way to keep it real home made style
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Post by: plymouth on March 29, 2010, 07:46:39 PM
Shit kicks ass!  :D update!
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on April 28, 2010, 12:26:06 PM
havent been much to update. progress has been slow due to me not having time to work on the car because of final exams and me being dead broke at the moment. All i need to complete the build is an external wastegate and to have my friend finish up the harness. will post some pics up soon.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Teg2boo on April 28, 2010, 12:40:05 PM
havent been much to update. progress has been slow due to nit having time to work on the car because of final exams and me being dead broke at the moment. All i need to complete the build is an external wastegate and to have my friend finish up the harness. will post some pics up soon.

Nobody need to study for final exams. Work on your car, now!

Btw, I just finished my last exam and I drink my second beer :P

Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on April 28, 2010, 04:47:46 PM
Lol3 more to go. Last one is on the 7th then i will be golden  :yes: Only thing i will miss about the college life is the college girls . Send me one of those beers at exactly 11:29:59 am 7th/May/2010, not a second later
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: bigdaddyvtec on April 28, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
SOmeone send this fucking guy a Chingy 38mm WG so he can get busy and eat something other than top ramen, if even for a day   :yes:
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Joseph Davis on April 28, 2010, 09:31:07 PM
SOmeone send this fucking guy a Chingy 38mm WG so he can get busy and eat something other than top ramen, if even for a day   :yes:

I sold 79fairmont two for $50 shipped, he got them today.  If i had known one was needed here I would have sent it.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: glustic on April 28, 2010, 11:50:26 PM
God damnit sir, a new cing chang bang yo momma wastegate is only $50 on egay
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: crxvtec91 on April 30, 2010, 10:43:24 AM
Add;

http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=435.msg5800#msg5800 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=435.msg5800#msg5800)
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on April 30, 2010, 04:02:39 PM
SOmeone send this fucking guy a Chingy 38mm WG so he can get busy and eat something other than top ramen, if even for a day   :yes:

SOmeone send this fucking guy a Chingy 38mm WG so he can get busy and eat something other than top ramen, if even for a day   :yes:

I sold 79fairmont two for $50 shipped, he got them today.  If i had known one was needed here I would have sent it.

Lol top ramen ftw
(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/utf-8BSU1HMDAzODEuanBn.jpg)
. A ching chong Wg donation will definitely be appreciated  ;D

God damnit sir, a new cing chang bang yo momma wastegate is only $50 on egay

You must have missed my 1st post. I got zero income atm, got bills all up my ass, the debt man is camped out on my front lawn and i am a full time student. :'( That about sums it up.


Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on April 30, 2010, 04:05:24 PM
Add;

http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=435.msg5800#msg5800 (http://www.realhomemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=435.msg5800#msg5800)

Muchas Gracias  :mexi:

evo_lucian     1989   Toyota   levin   4agze        T3/t4                   2dr     There is low budget..
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on May 27, 2010, 08:58:27 AM
Not much of an update, but i finished intercooler mock up just need to weld abv to hot side of piping and finish oil lines and still waiting on a wastegate , I start work next week so hopefully i will be able to get one after pay day.

Got a question for the more knowledgeable members , i was showing a guy some pics of the manifold and he pointed this out to me:
" wont the exhaust gas have a whole heap a turbulence wen it flows downward according to the shapes & direction flow of the logs / runners, bucks up on a plate (assumin that the regular exit to the manifold is blocked off) & then has to flow upwards to the turbo?"

Now my question is how does a turbulent exhaust gas flow affect a motor ? Boost spikes, slow spool ? I really dont give a fuck because im gonna use the manifold either way.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: Robb on June 01, 2010, 10:12:38 PM

Now my question is how does a turbulent exhaust gas flow affect a motor ? Boost spikes, slow spool ? I really dont give a fuck because im gonna use the manifold either way.



Think log manifold.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on July 31, 2010, 10:13:33 PM
Ok a bit of an update. Progress has been really slow, due to me not having much spare time and money to complete this build. Decided to revert to the t28 i originally planned on using because I figured the t3/t4 would be nice for the power i am looking to make but i dont have the external wastegate yet and i wanted to start off with something a lil smaller for my initial build.

I still needed an internal wastegate for the t28, the stock one was no good because it would hit the radiator fan shroud, so i had to modify another to fit. I had a couple laying around so we went to work on it and came out with this.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1030008.jpg)

The t28 was missing a "dust shield/heatshield/plate gasket thingy" couldnt get it anywhere so i improvised.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1030012.jpg)

Cut up a 7afe piston ring and used it as a gasket/spacer thingy.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1030010.jpg)

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1030011.jpg)

Still needed a tee for my oil lines, one night i was helping some friends work on a v8 powered supra and asked if he had any tee's. He gave me a brass tee but the threads didnt wanna mesh with the threads on my block. Took it to my workplace and sorta bevelled the tip but it still didnt wanna mesh so i just cut the tip off an oil pressure sender and brazed it to the tip of the tee. came out pretty good. Added some solder for good measure.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1030005.jpg)

Almost done. Just need to finish oil drain and harness tomorrow and it willl be ready to boost.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1030004.jpg)

Will get some pics of my copper oil feed etc tomorrow.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on July 31, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
Found some old pics looking through my camera.

Pics of the car after last drag event in december. If you look closely you will see my custom "hood scoop". Race day was approaching and i needed a scoop to feed air to my tmic so i took a grinder to the hood and made some louvers.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/P1020080.jpg)

poor photoshop attempt at fitting my new rims. You get the idea.

(http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/ih8rice/4agte/mod.jpg)
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: 92CXyD on August 01, 2010, 12:52:39 AM
Gangsta  :noel:



I'm liking this build. ;D  Looking forward to seeing this car completed and vids and more pictures, please. ;D :yes:
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on August 01, 2010, 01:17:25 AM
Thanks , will have it started by this evening hopefully, and intercooler piping sorted out soon after. Vids will be posted
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: fysh on August 01, 2010, 04:08:54 PM

B) No electric fan you'll find for under $350 will provide the air movement you'll want to do anything for IAT's. Put a subi scoop on it & seal it somewhat with big strips of adhesive foam rubber and be done with it. Or go with an extra few feet of piping and use a fmic.

Horse cock. 97/98 Mark VIII fan pushes a shit ton of CFMs (I've heard reports of between 4k and 5.5k). 1800 RPMs on Lo, 2225 on Hi. You can buy one new from O'Reillys for ~ $100. 
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on August 01, 2010, 04:25:43 PM
Already have a fmic sorted out, well actually its the stock tmic fitted at the front with one of the outlets rotated but i guess it will have to do for now.

Didn't get a chance to work on the car today because of other engagements, so hopefully tomorrow.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: glustic on August 05, 2010, 11:35:18 PM
Holy fuck, you guys are slow at putting your shit together.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on August 08, 2010, 09:11:18 AM
Only get to work on the car on saturdays. Weather has been pretty bad lately.
Title: Re: There is low budget and then there is this
Post by: evo_lucian on August 08, 2010, 03:55:56 PM
Finished harness yesterday, Now its just a matter of hooking up oil drain and mounting intercooler.